I'm curious if you think it still applies today. Located at Interstate 225 at Alameda Avenue, the Town Center at . But we really made a nice presentation. Various institute investigators including students and postdocs give lectures, and people ask questions. Then, lawsuits began to fly all over the place. The University certainly had the authority now to own a patent, and Gene Wenninger and I had to figure out how to manage all that. CRAWFORD: You mentioned you'd seen their names in the literature. My father, in order to afford to send them to high school and college, started a little filling station that developed into a country store. This group was studying that sort of thing in various solids. "Maybe someday in the future, we'll understand this." Please interview Phil Bos, he'll clue you in on all of that stuff. Do you see yourself as a pioneer in scientific or technological entrepreneurship? I didn't know Wil could write so well. One of the researchers, Wolfgang Helfrich, went over to Hoffmann-La Roche, who with Martin Schadt developed the twist cell display. I didnt know anything about tube sockets. The two come together through technology transfer and patent agreements]. It really got very bad. The attitude in industry for commercializing the technology ultimately was just not there. I was then able to convince the University to take an exclusive license for the technology for all applications. We needed to be working with another university on polymers. Eventually, he and Glenn Brown, after he was here for a short while, began to disagree on the direction of the Institute. He wanted to be where there were some trees. Did you and Fergason remain friends?DOANE: Yes, I didn't have any problem with Jim. [End Part 3]. I was awarded it at Goodyear As an aside, I comment that following the award it turned out that Goodyear became interested in the technology because they thought it might look good on a blimp. And we'll have writing tablets coming out where you don't need any power to erase, either. There was Dave Johnson in the physics department, who was doing very nice work on calorimetry, the thermodynamics of liquid crystals. Event starts on Sunday, 30 April 2023 and happening at Brandon Town Center Mall, Brandon, FL. Even at that time, there was some discussion of, "What really are these things? And there was a market for writing tablets in China. With that, I got the institute into a program with the University of Southern California. [Laughs] I was pretty much an only child. For Sale 2937 Governors Court, Marietta, GA 30066. ]CRAWFORD: The departments have their own hiring plans and needs.DOANE: Departments have their own agenda and plans. It has easy access to city transportation and the BOB bus route. But after two years, passing all these candidacy exams, all this coursework, I talked to Shirley, and we thought maybe it would be the thing to do. I had considered staying and working at the University of Washington, but I really wanted to work with Nelson Duller. There can be non-disclosure agreements with an industry in which confidential information is transferred. KSU Center View map 3333 Busbee Dr NW, Kennesaw, GA 30144 https://events.kennesaw.edu/venues/ksu-center.php Place Details Type Kennesaw Campus 0 People follow this place Follow Place Upcoming Events (2) PACT Act: Counseling for all Disability Claims Tue, Apr 4, 2023 10am to 3pm KSU Center, Rooms 300 & 400 New Training & Workshops He reconfigured the company. Find below the times of sunrise and sunset calculated 7 days to Les Avenires Veyrins-Thuellin. That turned out to be a wise, wise decision because the job opportunities in that field are far higher. That's what I did for my personal research however it was a small part of the overall program. Right after we recapitalized, the company was kind of an R&D company for a while because we were developing full-color, high-resolution displays on flexible plastic substrates. [If the departments would appoint them to professorships, they were afraid that they wouldn't be allotted a position in their department they wanted to fill. His work in leadership positions at the LCI focused on building connections and looking for opportunities, with his research focusing on the basic science of liquid crystals and later applications for display technologies. Industry was doing a lot of that kind of research then. [Laugh] I certainly didn't know anything about licensing of patents [and I did not intend, at that time, to start a company to make products. I was really impressed. And there was some work in England, too. Glenn learned that he wanted to immigrate, and Glenn wanted to see if he could get him. Last month, the real estate company QIC was going to buy Forest City's stake in the Town Center Mall. They gave materials for a presentation, and they were really helpful. Were there other companies the LCI was developing relationships with at this time?DOANE: [Those were among the first ones but I think by then, 3M and Polytronix were working with us in some way. A year earlier, they had awarded 12 of these. Universities, by nature, like to be open and publish their research.] I wouldn't say, though, that it was one of the reasons I signed on at Kent. We decided at one time to try Amazon, and we sent them a number of them. Generally universities want to publish their research results. Or are you working with scientists at the LCI?DOANE: Yes, today we use those facilities. CRAWFORD: Do you have a sense of why that was?DOANE: I don't know. It was called JTech. Even today, if you take your cell phone out in the bright sunlight and try to look at it, you're not going to see the image very well if at all. But my wife was very good at handling things by herself. NSF sent out a bunch of people to Kent State, and I really had good support from Mike Schwartz, our president, who really helped us. The attractive thing for a sign is that once you address it, it takes no power to retain the message. I didn't see them very often, only in the summertime. I don't think it's all been bad, I think it's had some good points, too. I was never actually called upon by Heinke to be a witness. [Laughs]CRAWFORD: She was teaching in Nebraska?DOANE: Yes. Here, you had to put these transistors on large surfaces for TV and other display screens. I went there, and I wasn't in engineering very long. One thing I did, in order to keep faculty focused when someone would give a talk, was to make them bring a demonstration. There is one here at Kent Displays that is used to welcome people.CRAWFORD: I've seen that. There's very fundamental stuff going on in universities with DNA research, for example, but they're involved very practically, investigating the feasibility for all sorts of industrial interests. I come from the academic world. At that particular point, I married my wife, Shirley, right after I graduated.CRAWFORD: This would've been 1950?DOANE: 1958. J. WILLIAM DOANE: Good morning.CRAWFORD: We wanted to pick up with our discussion of your experience and work at the Liquid Crystal Institute in the 1970s, leading up to when you took over as associate director in '79, then later as director in ['83]. He was going to give a paper on liquid crystals as temperature sensors.CRAWFORD: This was the year you finished your PhD?DOANE: Yes, either '64 or '65. While I had two sisters, [eight and ten years older], I was pretty much like an only child in the sense that we lived so far out in the country that, to go to high school, my sisters had to live with a family in town. That is, how these nuclear spins interact with the lattice of molecules in a solid material and exchange energy. But he wound up going to General Motors. More so then than now.CRAWFORD: What was the nature of that difference?DOANE: [Back when Glenn first formed the institute this gap was larger than today in that universities didnt see it as their business to perform research of industrial interest. There were a variety of different types of liquid crystal displays being developed at that time with many industrial efforts to develop a full color flat-panel screen. There were a number of things we could make on it. Crises aren't always that bad in the sense that they can move things along and force people to look at other ways. But he had two other positions he could fill. I got ready to go to that meeting, and one of our children got sick. I think there have been quite a few spin-offs since. They didn't want me to do this at all. Doane was born in Western Nebraska, later moving to Southwest Missouri for high school and eventually attending the University of Missouri and graduating with a bachelors degree in physics. I didn't know enough about it to get involved. From that review paper, he learned a lot about who was doing what and where, so he organized the first International Liquid Crystal Conference.CRAWFORD: I just wanted to ask you quickly, I know you weren't involved in liquid crystals at this time, but now having had a career in liquid crystals and having met lots of people, part of the sort of historical narrative about liquid crystals, from what I understand at this point, is that they were discovered in the late 19th century, 1888 or thereabouts. It's a very complex issue. It stands for Advanced Liquid Crystal Optical Materials. But, eventually, we were able to come up with a plan that convinced them to grant a license and we formed KDI. I thought that having him there would really be great. Like Peter Palffy and John West, he originally came into the liquid crystal institute under the title senior research fellow, with no professorship as did Adriaan De Vries and several others. [Laugh] There are all sorts of enticements. We were able to get substantial DARPA support for things. The first time they came out, we submitted an application, but just did it with the people in the Institute and institute facilities. August 9, 2021August 10, 2021August 16, 2021Location of Interview: Kent Displays in Kent, Ohio. Typically, they have those meetings in March. However, after two years, Nelson Duller's wife didn't like it in Missouri and wanted to go back to Texas, where she was from. One state would reflect a color, and the other state was transparent. ], CRAWFORD: Yeah. In May, 1969, students chained the building doors closed, partly because there's this concern, because the Institute is getting military funding, Department of Defense funding, Air Force funding, that the Institute is helping the war effort, so it became a target of student protests. A Building Advisor will be in touch with you shortly. Both of us saw it as a challenge, and I was willing to try to take it on as a dissertation, and he was pleased with that because we thought it would be fun to do. CRAWFORD: You had mentioned that the Defense Department, DARPA, the Navy, and so forth became interested in funding display research for their own uses. Now, we can get back to Fergason before I became associate director. One, he filled with Jim Fergason. I couldn't come into my lab, and there was a short time we couldn't do things.CRAWFORD: But it didn't lead to a sense of, "Maybe we should downplay our support from the military"?DOANE: No. But it would've been nice [to have kept Fegasons industrial pursuit linked in a friendly way with the academic pursuit of the institute such that his industry could have survived. It's been very helpful. [Laugh] He can find out that it's either great or not a great approach to a technology. The mall closed to customers Wednesday evening It is scheduled to reopen . The University of Akron was quite agreeable. At that time, I think he committed $20 million up front. You can do lots of things with that [experimental technique]. I'm not quite sure when that started, but around that time, they were focused on display-related work. It's just recognition that somebody saw what you were doing. There was even some interest in Europe, and here was some licensing there, too. Fortunately, I was picked, as well as quite a few others, although not everybody but most. The twist cell turned out to be the best approach but had its own drawbacks. As a graduate student, when I got into nuclear magnetic resonance, I had a research assistantship while I was working on my PhD, and that was funded with a grant. Updated fixtures and lighting in bathrooms. I'd become acquainted with an investor, William (Bill) Manning who was on this board, a money manager from Rochester, New York. But that was really my only relation to science. Because part of the issue is that you're getting federal funding, so the research is supposed to be a public good, so how could you make it private? 0. I think Ohio generally is a good place for industry development. Saupe, being in the Institute off campus, away from the physics department, was never around in physics. It has a writing texture similar to paper. CRAWFORD: It sounds like your basic research at the molecular level was around understanding the structure and fluctuations of liquid crystals.DOANE: [In my own research group we studied how the molecules ordered, moved, wiggled, diffused, and how these features changed from one liquid crystal phase to another. Probably within a year, we were selling signs. I was determined to do that, and at first, I tried to do it at a lower cost [to better attract investment]. It was an industry-run program. As an academic institution, our prime responsibility is to pursue fundamental research. Another great incentive is that your university appointments are only for nine months, and you've got to support your family in the summertime. We were able to get grants to help us with this. I wonder if you have any additional observations or insights that you'd like to share. But basically, Glenn and I put this together. Then, liquid crystals came up again. I thought maybe if I did, I'd have to take these candidacy exams over again, and I didn't want to do that. But I had the support of some colleagues in physics who really had high regard for Saupe, too. As it turns out, there are a number different ways you can make a display with a liquid crystal. Been here 5+ times. I saw an opportunity [to develop high-definition flat panel displays for the defense agencies]. Town Center at Aurora is a fully enclosed regional shopping destination in Aurora, Colorado, and serves the nearby communities of Aurora, Buckley Air Force Base, The Anschutz Medical Campus, the Lowry neighborhood and residents of southeast Denver. We found that we could switch these things from a white to a beautiful clear with an electric field and make unique optical devices. Today is August 9th, 2021. Then, there were some other companies, like Brookstone, that really wanted to sell these things. This gave high visibility to Kent State internationally. DOANE: I don't think so. It's a paper replacement you don't have to throw away. This choice to take some research and move it into patents, take it out of publication, was that a concern at all, that you'd be taking away from your academic achievement?DOANE: It wasn't a concern for me because I really wanted to get into applied research. Helfrich eventually went to Hoffman-La Roche located in Basel Switzerland, where he worked with Martin Schadt. I thought it was good for Kent State, too. [Laugh] We wound up with a clear liquid mess on the laboratory bench. He did that, and the experiment was a failure because the liquid crystal mixed with the epoxy. [Laugh]CRAWFORD: Why do you think that is?DOANE: It just happens. That was what really got the company off the ground and involved in marketing and sales that had to be developed.CRAWFORD: Had the company done any test marketing or user studies?DOANE: No, it really didn't have much in the way of marketing. In this case the university will make little or no up-front money from the license but it has value otherwise in creating local industry that benefits the university in a variety of ways, creating jobs for students, attracting new students, endowments, PR etc.] Institute was still on the research campus but now had a broader scope involving more science departments.] We made some [very nice full-color, high resolution, flexible color displays]. But contributing to the war effort had little to do with it. That was my first inclination that I liked this kind of thing. This would make a black-and-white display, but it required a lot of power. We can pick up tomorrow. But the power drain was very low. Copyright law (Title 17, USC). Then, within a year, my wife got pregnant, and we had another child. He didnt fit in well in the University environment.. It was a source of funding in an exciting area of research for faculty to get into and apply what they knew to that. Of course, it can involve development agreements and also licensing. DOANE: But THEMIS, as I understood it, they just wanted basic fundamental research on liquid crystals. Good morning, Dr. Doane. ]CRAWFORD: Having worked in this field, what does technology transfer mean? What was going on with the Liquid Crystal Institute going into the 70s? It really gives us a lot of insight.DOANE: It's kind of fun to go back and think through these things. As a result the company became focused on writing.CRAWFORD: Before the shift to the Boogie Board, you mentioned that the company was making signs and had some contracts in Israel and whatnot. This is because, after THEMIS, the Institute [lost its group funding and] started going downhill. The relationship and collaboration between industry and Kent State University during Doanes directorship was important to the growth of the LCI. It was a consumer product. The only way I knew to do that was to do it myself. We began to get work using liquid crystals, not just PDLCs, but other kinds, for optical studies. There were also new types of liquid crystal display technologies created that were commercialized. One of the first things I did when I got back was to go to people like Dave Johnson in physics, Wilbur Franklin, Dave Uhrich, Edward Gelerenter and others. CRAWFORD: Is there anything else particular about Northeast Ohio that's advantageous for companies?DOANE: Well, it's just a nice place to live. I wanted to tie these things together. I'd rather leave that to somebody else to decide. In '65, when I was interviewing for the positions, there was already some work going on here and there around the country. CRAWFORD: Why do you say that?DOANE: Because usually, that's where the opportunity is. Was this expertise something you learned as a graduate student?DOANE: Yeah, I'd say maybe as a graduate student. I thought of it as a way that physicists could work with chemists, and vice versa, and still be in their own department. We were developing a display technology that had come out of the ALCOM Center. In my view, if Kent was going to really build graduate programs, it needed to focus somehow. From what I understand, today, it's still a lot like that. The guy at Hughes who headed all of this was Dave Margerum. But he came in very early, after John West.] I don't know who all sued who, but there was a preliminary hearing in Cleveland, and a number of attorneys from different places showed up to this thing. In the early 80s, Glenn gave me the title of associate director. Doane later helped create spin-off companies, such as Kent Displays, Inc. which was established in 1993. 1. CRAWFORD: Was there a sense at that time in the late 60s and the 70s, was there a sense that academic science was a different world than industrial science?DOANE: Yes. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. I was supportive of the applications. I think that was the difficulty. The Japanese could do this. That may have caught their attention. From 1991-1996, Doane also served as the first Director of the Center Advanced Liquid Crystalline Optical Materials (ALCOM), an NSF-funded Science and Technology Center that included collaborations with University of Akron and Case Western Reserve University. Maybe someday well do it.CRAWFORD: What was the challenge that prevented it?DOANE: Size and weight. [1] We could probably do it today on a blimp, but back in those days, we couldn't do that large of a display on plastic that would fit nicely on a blimp. As I recall, he started it basically by bringing in three new people, one of whom was a chemist named Sardari Arora, a synthetic chemist who synthesized liquid crystals. It grants you the patent, but you have to protect it. 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